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Ich hab´mich so gefreut, da ich meinem Namen auch entdeckt habe.

Vielen Dank, dass Ihr an mich gedacht habt.

Ich unterschreibe auch

....auch ich bin dafür

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Video einstellen geht irgendwie nicht. Aber bevor es wieder gesperrt wird, sollte man es anhören können.

Hallo Ihr Lieben,

ich habe soeben von einer Freundin erfahren, dass sie anlässlich des IVs mit Herrn Wiesner telefoniert hat, nachdem sie die strittigen Interviewpunkte bei ihm schriftlich hinterfragt hat. Dieter Wiesner selbst ist nicht ganz so glücklich über den Verlauf des Interviews und sei deshalb einverstanden, dass die wichtigen Inhalte des Telefonates verbreitet werden.

Vorneweg: er war satte zwei Stunden mit dem Herrn Siller im Gespräch. Es wurde viel ohne laufenden Ton geredet. Und Herr Wiesner hatte selten mit einem Menschen zu tun, der SO eine negative Einstellung zu Michael Jackson hat. H.Sillner sei äußerst aggressiv und bissig gewesen. Er war absolut kein Interviewer, der interessiert an der Materie war. Darauf sei er nicht eingestellt gewesen und hatte ziemlich zu kämpfen mit ihm, so dass er dann bei Fragen bei laufendem Ton Mühe hatte, sich EXAKT auf jedes Wort zu konzentrieren.

Ihm selbst sei in diesem IV vor allem wichtig gewesen, Michael nicht als einen Drogenjunkie da stehen zu lassen, wie das seiner Meinung der Moderator gerne darstellen wollte.
Was Joseph angeht: Er hat von Michael immer gehört, dass er seinem Vater verziehen habe und dass er wolle, dass es auch ihm (finanziell) gut gehe. Michael wollte lediglich den engen Kontakt zur Familie vermeiden, weil Joe bei solchen Gelegenheiten gleich wieder „Geschäfte“ mit ihm machen wollte.

Meine Fragen zu den strittigen IV-Punkten:

Warum fiel nie das Wort Vitiligo?

A: Weil Michael sich natürlich gebleicht hatte und voll dahinter stand, dass es eben KEINE Rolle spiele, ob jemand schwarz oder weiß sei wie er bei Oprah schon andeutete, es frage auch keiner danach warum Weiße sich in die Sonne legen um braun zu werden …..

Hartnäckige Nachfrage:

Aber die Krankheit war doch zuerst da?

A: Ja schon, und dann kam das Bleichen.

Wann hat er MJ getroffen?

A: 2007 in Chicago und 2009 in England > Michael sei supergut drauf gewesen und habe sich vollkommen erholt. Michael sei niemals körperlich schwach gewesen.

Eltern der Kinder?

A:Durch die gehässigen und bissigen Fragen des Moderators sei es ihm gar nicht aufgefallen, dass dieser von „Eltern“ gesprochen habe …… er selbst kenne selbstverständlich die Mütter der Kinder.

Überhaupt sagt Wiesner oft " wir" sodass man nicht weiß, wen meint er? sich und Michael oder sich und Konitzer.

Bzgl. Bashir sagt er " wir haben festgestellt, was der Mann vorhat."Also wenn er merkte was Bashir vorhatte, so kam das rüber,warum hat er dann nichts unternommen.....

Außerdem bzgl. des Buches glaube ich eher, dass Joe und Wiesner dieses Buch in Planung hatten und nicht Katherine und Wiesner.

Ich schaue es auch nochmals an, weil ich mich gerne verhört hätte, aber aufnehmen kann ich es nicht.

Stiller fragte Wiesner ob er die " Eltern der Kinder" kenne und Wiesner sagte ja, also ein Ja in dem man hören konnte, dass er selbst als wichtigster und intimster Freund(dem Michael ja alles anvertraute)gelten will.Ich weiß nicht wie anders sagen, weil mich das alles ziemlich wütend gemacht hat.

@Fleur

Stiller fragte Wiesner ob" Michael in gewisser Richtung weiß werden wollte" und Wiesner hat das bestätigt.(so habe ich das verstanden)
Wirklich kein Wort von Vitiligo oder von Lupus.Nichts.

Evtl. hat das Interview früher als um 10.00 Uhr angefangen, da es schon lief, als ich davon erfuhr, dazwischen kam aber auch andere Musik, also nicht nur von Michael, vllt. wenn man es zusammenrechnet 1 Std. dauerte das Interview, vllt.nicht mal.

Und Wiesner spricht genauso wie in seinem Buch sehr oft von "wir."
Ich habe gelesen, dass Mr. Mesereau doch selbst gesagt hat, dass er den Kontakt von Michael mit der NOI nicht wollte, wegen der Rassenfrage.

Er fliegt also nach L.A. um Michael zu sehen, danach fliegt er unverrichteterdinge wieder heim, klingt für mich nicht glaubhaft.Schade, dass ich keine Kontakte zur Lufthansa(die müsste es ja sein) habe.

Wiesner hat gesagt, dass J.Chandler das in einer " Gerichtsverhandlung" gesagt hätte.Ich frage mich auch, von welcher Gerichtsverhandlung spricht er?
Soviel ich weiß, ist so eine Aussage im Internet aufgetaucht, die aber nie bestätigt wurde.

So habe ich es auch verstanden, dass Michael die" andere Hälfte von Sony" zurückkaufen wollte

Auch ich habe durch Zufall das Interview mit Wiesner gehört, aber nicht den Anfang.

Als das Gespräch auf Michaels Haut kam, wartete ich immer auf das Wort Vitiligo aber es gab nichts.Ich denke man kann irgendwann das Interview anhören, weil es gab da noch einen Satz von ihm, der mich fuchsteufelswild werden ließ, den ich aber hier nicht wiederholen will. Wer mich kennt, weiß warum.

Dass er gegen Joe nichts sagen würde war mir klar. Auf CNN gab es Mitte des Jahres mal ein Interview mit Joe, das für mich so aussah, als würde Joe " die wahre Geschichte mit promoten"
In diesem Buch würde die Wahrheit rauskommen. Na denn.

Some family members were also angry that the event coincided with the trial of Jackson’s physician Dr Conrad Murray, who was jailed last month for four years for administering a fatal dose of the surgical anaesthetic propofol to the star.

The show also fell foul of the official executors of the singer’s estate, who have had a running battle with Michael’s parents over a series of stunts the Jacksons have dreamt up to cash in on their late son’s fame.

Indeed, the Cardiff event — at which Michael’s children were once again on public display — is said to have taken place in Britain only to get around U.S. intellectual property law.
Joe Jackson
Katherine Jackson

Michael's children have been served up for public consumption by their grandparents, Joe (left) and Katherine (right), on any number of occasions

Even so, the singer’s full name and picture were noticeably absent from the official concert promotion material.

Jackson’s children have been served up for public consumption by their grandparents on any number of occasions.

Earlier this year, when their grandmother was promoting a coffee table book she has written about Michael, Oprah Winfrey was granted access to the compound where they live with her in Los Angeles.

About the same time, the children appeared on the TV show Good morning america to talk about the death of their father.

Both interviews led Michael’s brother Randy and his sister Janet to criticise their parents for exploiting the children for personal gain.

And the point is Joe and Katherine are rather keen on personal gain. They are currently fighting a lawsuit issued by Michael’s executors, who accuse them of trying to flog unauthorised tacky Jacko memorabilia, including a crystal-encrusted leather belt signed by Jackson’s children.

Earlier this year Joe, who lives for the most part in Las Vegas, was even said to have offered fans the chance to have their pictures taken with Prince, Paris and Blanket in exchange for cash.
The estimated £500 million earned by Michael since his death has not yet filtered through to his heirs

The estimated £500 million earned by Michael since his death has not yet filtered through to his heirs

Joe, who was left out of his son’s will, has launched a series of court actions to try to win damages over Michael’s death, including actions against Dr Murray, the concert promoters AEG Live, who were bankrolling Michael’s planned 50‑date London tour when he died, and the pharmacy which supplied the drug that killed him.

Meanwhile, Katherine, who along with Michael’s children stands to inherit the singer’s fortune, complains that the £50,000 his executors grant her each month to care for his children is not enough.

Family lawyers are also furious that the estimated £500 million earned by Jackson since his death — including a posthumous £166 million album deal signed with Sony and the £194 million earned by This is it, the film of Jackson’s rehearsals for his proposed UK shows — has not yet filtered through to his heirs.

But John Branca and John McClain, the entertainment lawyers appointed as executors of the estate, say it could take years to unravel the troubled star’s financial affairs and pay off more than £300 million of debts Jackson had when he died.

Even so, the children and Katherine — who was declared bankrupt in 1999 — are hardly living in penury.

Since March they have been staying at a rented £16,000-a-month estate, complete with its own golf course, in the upmarket LA neighbourhood of Calabasas.

They have moved into the house on a gated community, where neighbours include Britney Spears and Kim Kardashian, while the family home in nearby Encino is being refurbished, with the bill being paid by the executors.

This week Paris said on the TV chat show that she felt ‘stupid’ in the masks and veil her father made her and her siblings wear to protect their identity.

Yet she insisted she and her brothers have a regular childhood.

As her grandmother Katherine has said: ‘They have their friends over. They ride their bikes.’

In reality, it is anything but normal.

Each morning, a slow-moving cavalcade of vehicles transports Paris and Prince to the private school they attend on the edge of California’s Santa Monica mountains.

Several bulky bodyguards, sporting Secret Service-style ear-pieces and lapel microphones jump out of the vehicles to usher them into school.

Throughout the day, armed close protection minders shadow the children as they attend lessons at £21,000-a-year Buckley School. The bodyguards eat lunch in the school cafeteria and swim in its indoor pool.

Ever since Paris and Prince enrolled at the school in September 2010, the presence of the hulking security men has been causing complaints from other parents who say they terrify their children.
The children, who will inherit their father's fortune when they reach 30, are at constant risk of kidnap

The children, who will inherit their father's fortune when they reach 30, are at constant risk of kidnap

For his part, Blanket, who is said to be very withdrawn and shy and is the only one of the singer’s children who looks even vaguely like him, is still taught by private teachers in the kitchen of the family’s seven-bedroom house, where he has his own constant bodyguards.

The children are occasionally visited by former nurse Debbie Rowe, Jackson’s former wife and the mother of the two elder children, both of whom are said to have been fathered by a sperm donor. (While Michael Jackson was alive, she was not involved with the children; he paid her off so that he could bring them up himself, with the help of an army of nannies. But when he died, grandmother Katherine agreed that Debbie could have supervised visits.)

The identity of Blanket’s mother and father has never been revealed — Jackson adopted him soon after he was born, and there has been endless speculation as to whether he fathered the child as a sperm donor.

The Jackson family insist that the security presence is very necessary, given that the children, who will inherit their father’s fortune when they reach 30, are at constant risk of kidnap.

The King of Pop’s children are, to put it crudely, very valuable commodities indeed.

Lawyers are expecting to set a trial date on January 31 for the children’s own separate lawsuit against promoters AEG Live.

The Jackson family’s lawyer Brian Oxman told me if they win, the damages could eventually reach up to $1 billion.

He says AEG employed Dr Conrad Murray — a claim it denies — and that this astronomical sum is based on what Jackson could have earned had he lived.

‘The children are the youngest plaintiffs for the largest amount of money in our memory,’ Mr Oxman said.

‘I don’t think there is anywhere that could rival the size of this legal claim.’

Is it any surprise, then, that the children Jackson tried so assiduously to protect have had to grow up so quickly?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem…ked-Jackos-childhood.html

Nor is she the only one of Jackson’s three children who is being pushed — prematurely, some argue — into the white heat of the media gaze from which their father had so desperately sought to protect them.

Michael’s long-time friend Brian Oxman — who also happens to be the Jackson family’s lawyer — told me this week of his concerns that the singer might not have approved of his beloved children being paraded so publicly.
Paris is hardly your average teenager. This week she was interviewed by TV chat show hostess Ellen DeGeneres

Paris is hardly your average teenager. This week she was interviewed by TV chat show hostess Ellen DeGeneres

‘Michael’s way of bringing them up was that he wanted them to have a childhood,’ he explained.

‘He wanted them to experience being innocent young people growing up.

‘Since he felt his childhood had been stolen from him, he didn’t want that to happen to his kids,’ he added.

‘It’s hard to say if Michael would be happy about what’s happening. He just wanted his children to be the masters of their lives.’

Yet the push to make the youngsters stars in their own right appears relentless. And it is Katherine and her estranged husband Joe who, together, are the driving force.

Many believe history could be repeating itself here. They remember how Michael’s father Joe would to drive him mercilessly to perform, bullying him emotionally and physically.

‘If you didn’t do it the right way, he would tear you up,’ Michael said, adding, on the Oprah Winfrey Show, that he was so afraid of his father, he was sometimes sick when he saw Joe.
Eccentric: Michael with the shrouded Paris and Prince in 2002

Eccentric: Michael with the shrouded Paris and Prince in 2002

To coincide with her interview with TV chatshow host Miss DeGeneres, Paris and her brothers Prince, 14, and nine-year-old Prince Michael II — known as Blanket — posed together for a major article on them this week in People magazine.

The American celebrity magazine calls the children ‘The Jackson Three’ — a play on words said to have been dreamt up by Joe, their grandfather, who managed the Jackson Five group in which a young Michael found fame with his elder brothers.

Joe had long been estranged from his most famous son and was publicly accused by Michael of being a controlling and violent bully.

Yet this is The Man behind Michael’s children’s appearance before the cameras on the U.S. version of The X Factor two weeks ago.

Sources in the States say the publicity drive being coordinated by 83-year-old Joe and Katherine, 81, is all leading up to an announcement that the children have been signed up to appear in their own reality TV show which will give fly-on-the-wall cameras access to their California home.

And this attempt to turn Jackson’s children into highly bankable stars has understandably led to calls that they are being exploited.

Michael’s official fan club has raised its concerns and one influential website, set up to protect the dead singer’s legacy, has already called for an end to what it calls ‘the exploitation of his children for the financial gain of the Jackson family’.

The Michael Jackson Accountability Network website has published an open letter to the clan warning them to call a halt to the series of controversial money-making schemes they have embarked on since Jackson’s death in June 2009 at the age of 50.

The claims of exploitation have now led to a bitter split within the Jackson family, with some of Michael’s eight surviving siblings turning on each other and their parents in the unseemly scramble for cash.
'Michael's way of bringing them (his children) up was that he wanted them to have a childhood,' said the singer's long-time friend Brian Oxman

'Michael's way of bringing them (his children) up was that he wanted them to have a childhood,' said the singer's long-time friend Brian Oxman

The bad blood came to head two months ago when brothers Jermaine and Randy and sister Janet publicly criticised a star-studded tribute concert held at Cardiff’s Millennium Stadium which was organised by their parents.

While their siblings Marlon, Tito, Jackie and La Toya all agreed to appear on the bill, the event became mired in controversy with claims that although some funds would go to charity, and £64,000 to Michael’s children, the promoters could not confirm how much the good causes would actually receive.

Ich habe soeben einen Artikel gefunden,aber es müsste jemand übersetzen bitte
....dass es eben von den Großeltern in erster Linie so gewollt ist, diese ganzen Interviews der Film usw.

Exploitation of the Jackson Three: Singer's children are being cynically controlled by man whose greed wrecked his childhood

By Paul Scott

Last updated at 10:14 AM on 17th December 2011

Even by the standards of someone twice her age, there was a quiet assurance about 13-year-old Paris Jackson’s triumphant first solo appearance before the cameras of a U.S. chat show this week.

Gone was the frightened and sobbing child who was reluctantly pushed into the spotlight by her aunties and uncles at her father Michael’s televised memorial service a little over two years ago.

In her place was a young woman, sleekly coiffed by the team of stylists and make-up artists who now travel with her, and with the sort of poise you would scarcely expect of a young teenager.
Michael Jackson desperately sought to protect his children (Prince, left, Paris and younger brother Blanket, right) from the media spotlight when he was alive

Michael Jackson desperately sought to protect his children (Prince, left, Paris and younger brother Blanket, right) from the media spotlight when he was alive

But then, Paris, who had been wheeled out by the controlling Jackson clan to appear on the sofa of TV chat show hostess Ellen DeGeneres, is hardly your average teenager.

For starters, in preparation for her primetime appearance this week, Paris had been trained rigorously for weeks by the Hollywood actors’ agency that has been newly engaged by her grandmother and legal guardian Katherine Jackson to guide the youngster’s nascent acting career.

Meanwhile, the family are in negotiation with top model agency boss and talent-spotter Michael Flutie, who launched the careers of Cindy Crawford, Milla Jovovich and Stephanie Seymour, to oversee Paris’s planned transition from schoolgirl to catwalk star.

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'It’s a matter of learning how to keep it off': Janet Jackson reveals that she is the new face of weight-loss program Nutrisystem
'The masks were stupid,' admits Paris as she discusses father Michael's attempts to protect his children on Ellen

‘I think she’s stunning,’ Mr Flutie said this week. ‘I said I would represent her because that’s how beautiful I think she is.’

He is not alone in spotting the rich pickings on offer for those helping to shape the careers of the King of Pop’s children.

Paris is already set to make her acting debut in a film version of the children’s fantasy book Lundon’s Bridge And The Three Keys, which is due for release in 2013.

Fleurdelys  

http://vindicatemj.wordpress.c…e-2005-trial-part-2-of-2/

Ziemlich weit unten steht das mit dem Album, Part I findet man, wenn man auf der gleichen Seite rechts runterfährt, da sind die verschiedenen Bereiche aufgelistet.

Mich würde wirklich interessieren, ob die Kinder darüber aufgeklärt wurden, von der Familie, über dass, was die Medien Michael angetan haben. Müssten sie eigentlich, wenn sie es wissen?

Ein Lotterleben wird bei der Familie wohl nicht herrschen, aber ein Leben, welches sich Michael mit Sicherheit für seine Kinder so nicht vorgestellt hätte.

Wie wir Michael inzwischen kennenlernen durften, hätte er niemals sein Einverständnis für den Film/ für Interviews gegeben.

Ich kann mir auch nicht vorstellen, dass die älteren Kinder selbst auf die Gedanken kommen, jetzt dieses oder jene Interview zu geben, wer also steht dahinter, man sagt Joe, aber ist es wirklich so?.
Jeder steht jetzt im Rampenlicht, seien es Bücher oder Interviews, obwohl man sich doch in den letzten Jahren nur noch zu Familienfeiern gesehen hat.

Ich habe nichts gegen die Familie und kenne sie nicht aber von Michael haben sie wohl nicht viel verstanden.

Meine Gedanken und Besorgnis dazu sind, die Kinder werden benutzt und, so stark sind sie nicht, dass man sie nicht für eigene Zwecke umformen könnte.

Jackson doctor seeks court-paid lawyer for appeal

By ANTHONY McCARTNEY, AP Entertainment Writer – 41 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The doctor convicted of killing Michael Jackson asked a court Tuesday to appoint a publicly funded attorney to handle his appeal because he cannot afford to hire counsel.

Dr. Conrad Murray filed an amended notice of appeal stating he is indigent and unable to pay for an appellate lawyer to try to overturn his involuntary manslaughter conviction.

The 58-year-old cardiologist intends to argue his case before the California 2nd District Court of Appeal, based in Los Angeles.

Murray's filing states that a court-appointed attorney would decide how to frame the appeal after reviewing transcripts and rulings from the case.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that felony convicts have a constitutional right to assistance of counsel.

A jury convicted Murray last month in Jackson's June 2009 death. Murray is expected to serve roughly two years in jail, half of the four-year sentence that Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor handed down on Nov. 29.

Murray's had sought to present evidence to jurors about Jackson's finances, details of his deal for a series of comeback concerts, and information about other doctors treating the pop superstar. But the judge refused and stated the trial would be about Murray's care of the singer.

The Houston-based doctor had been giving Jackson nightly doses of the powerful anesthetic propofol as a sleep aid. The drug is normally given in hospital settings with extensive monitoring equipment, but testimony showed Murray had only basic equipment and left Jackson's bedside on the morning of his death.

Pastor has scheduled a hearing for Jan. 23 to decide whether to order Murray to pay any restitution to Jackson's family or reimburse them for funeral expenses, which totaled more than $1.8 million.

Jackson's estate estimated the singer would have earned at least $100 million if he had performed his "This is it" concerts planned for London's O2 arena.

Murray will lose his medical license. He remains in a single-man cell in the Men's Central Jail, which is the address he listed on his appeals filings.

Follow Anthony McCartney at http://twitter.com/mccartneyAP

Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Murray braucht wohl einen Pflichtverteidiger,(den zahlt dann der Staat) weil er sich einen Anwalt für das Berufungsverfahren nicht leisten kann.Flannagan u.a. sind dann wohl raus.

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Es geht ja nicht nur um das Brechmittel namens Bashir.

Aber was mich stutzig macht, dass das Album "2005" produziert wurde.
Und dass eben diese Marilyn Music Casey Conrad eine Tochtergesellschaft von sony ist.

Ich komme jetzt auf ganz schlechte Gedanken, vllt. eine Belohnung für Bashir.Muß nichts heißen aber kann.

Und Gary Haase, den Namen kenne ich, aber weiß nicht mehr woher.

Martin Bashir ein Album auf SONY!

Ja, das ist richtig! Bashir veröffentlichte ein Reggae-Album im Dezember 2010 mit dem Titel "Bass Lion". Hier ist ein Artikel , dass Bashir Musical "Talente" beschreibt:

Mi2N.com - MarilynMusic Works auf kommende Album MSNBC Anchor Martin Bashir

Nur wenige Menschen wissen, dass abgesehen davon, dass ein angesehener Journalist und Medien-Persönlichkeit, Martin Bashir spielt auch Bass Reggae. Die "Dateline"-Mitgliedes und MSNBC am Nachmittag zu verankern, hat auf seinem kommenden 14 Songs Reggae Album mit dem Titel gearbeitet "Bass Lion." Produziert Gary Haase und gemischt von Marilyn Music Casey Conrad, das Album ist für Herbst 2010 unabhängigen Kinos kommen soll. Mixed im August in Headman die Studios, "Bass Lion" bietet eine Kombination aus traditionellen und modernen jamaikanischen Musik, mit allen 14 Tracks mit in Jamaika aufgenommen. Ausgewählte Songs aus dem Album wird in seiner nächsten Tag stündlich investigative Berichterstattung Show auf MSNBC verwendet werden.

Bashir spielt den Bass, und (meines Wissens) nicht singen oder irgendwelche Vocals auf dem Album. Ich hörte ein 90-Sekunden Vorschau der einzelnen Songs auf iTunes (keiner seiner Songs auf Youtube), und ich wollte nicht hören seine Stimme überhaupt, und ich war nicht sehr mit der Qualität der Songs beeindruckt (aber natürlich Ich bin voreingenommen!).

Eine weitere interessante Information, die ich durch meine Forschung entdeckt wird, dass Bashir im Jahr 2005 das Album "produzierte String Theory ", die von Gary Haase, der Produzent des Bashir-Album aufgenommen wurde! What goes around comes around!

Bashir Album wurde auf den veröffentlichten IODA (Independent Online Distribution Alliance)-Label, eine Tochtergesellschaft von Sony Music! Sony Partnerschaft mit ihnen im Juli 2009, um "Hebelwirkung kombiniert weltweiten Online-Handel Vertriebsnetze. Wer hätte gedacht, dass Bashir jemals ein Album auf Sony? Nun, wir wissen, er war nicht der erste Feind des MJ, um zu versuchen zu tun, das! (Husten, Husten, Evan Chandler , Husten, Husten ...)

Ich habe das durch den Translator geschickt, aber ich finde es äusserst interessant auch die Kommentare darunter.

http://vindicatemj.wordpress.c…hearings-in-murrays-case/

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