MJ-Bühnenoutfits im Besitz v. Bush u. Tompkins/erst Ausstellung u. anschl. zur Auktion

Mir erschien die ganze Sache mit den vielen angeblich von Michael signierten und an Bush und Tompkins verschenkten Kostümen, Kleidungsstücken und Gegenständen von Anfang an sehr schleierhaft und unglaubwürdig, zumal auch die Signaturen so aussehen, als hätte sie Bush selbst, aber nicht Michael vorgenommen.

Wieder eimal waren es die Fans, die diese Betrügereien aufgedeckt haben.

Nächste Woche, wahrscheinlich Mittwoch, ist dazu auch eine Reportage auf NBC angesetzt.
(werde mich nochmal genau informieren!)

Au weia - wenn Juliens da tatsächlich Fakes verkauft haben sollte, dann können die sich aber warm anziehen.
Bin gespannt was daraus wird.

Ausführlich kann man sich über die Aufdeckung in dieser Angelegenheit hier informieren:
(mit Beweisen, Schriftverkehr mit Bravado, u.a.)

http://teammichaeljackson.com/…6887#.UL5-0OOpIS4.twitter

..hm..die "Gerüchte" verdichten sich..das wär ja echt Hammer...aber noch bin ich da sehr vorsichtig...

Summery of Bush / Juliens auction issue

MLB decides to auction though Juliens his collection of costumes and other signed items.

When the auction catalogue goes on line fans and professional autograph valuers begin to question the signature.

An investigation begins, with the professional autograph valuers and and fans working together to compare the signatures in the auction with other genuine autographs,
many of which are personal letters signed to fans.

The professional valuers do not recognise the signatures in the auction as being like genuine signature from Michael they have seen over many years.

The fans, who have personal letters from Michael do not recognise the signatures in the auction as being like genuine signature from Michael they have seen over many years.

Then at the auction other items appeared,all supposedly signed by Michael, an empty stain remover can, a garment steamer, vinyl records from a different artist, Kim Fields.

Then the most suspect item, something which really casts doubt on the Bush auction. One of the items, supposedly signed by Michael Jackson to Bush is a Bravado standee produced AFTER Michael's death.

Bravado have been contacted, Juliens and Bush have been contacted. Juliens have threatened the professional autograph valuers with legal action.

This issue has huge repercussions. The professional autograph valuers want this to go to court as the sale of fake autographs by a major auction house like Juliens threatens the creditably of their industry.

The fans want this to go to court as the selling of fake Michael Jackson autographs harms Michael Jackson.

Further information can be found here thanks to MJ DATA BANK https://www.facebook.com/groups/9655...1199205063867/

this is the site where all the discussion and evidence can be found http://live.autographmagazine.com/fo...-and-bush-sale

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/kauqp7

..hm..ich hab schon bei einem Einblick in die Versteigerung gedacht..wow..über 1000 Dinge...und ein grosser Teil davon signiert...
...dass da so viel Firlefanz unterschrieben war... hatte ich mir so erklärt und ging mir durch den Kopf... dass Michael wohl Bush damit Schulden "zurückzahlen" wollte.. weil er nach dem Prozess ??? nicht flüssig war....
...so angeschlagen wie Michael damals war und bei hunderten von Artikeln wären leicht merkwürdig aussehende Unterschriften nicht allzu verwunderlich...

@ behindthemask

komisch:
beide Links funktionieren nicht....Inhalt steht derzeit nicht zur Verfügung...oder NOT FOUND !

hier der Artikel von Data Bank: https://www.facebook.com/group…malink/10151199205063867/
und
hier der Artikel vom Autographen Magazine: http://live.autographmagazine.…ns-tompkins-and-bush-sale

Das gesamte Auktionsergebnis gibt es hier detailliert nachzulesen:
http://www.juliensauctions.com…ins-and-bush/results.html

..danke ..Geli..fürs nochmalige reinstellen der links...

Zitat von Sky*

Die Verdächtigungen wurden Juliens und MLB zugestellt. Sie wollen den Pappaufsteller vor Gericht bringen ( sorry).

Dieser Satz ist wirklich köstlich.
Aber wenn sich herausstellt, dass Fälschungen dabei sind... Au Backe Hoffentlich heißt es dann nicht wieder (wegen des Aufstellers) "Michael Jackson eine Fälschung"

Das es so viele Dinge sind wundert mich jetzt nicht so wirklich, denn man muss ja auch mal den Zeitrahmen bedenken und der war nicht gering

Karen Faye ist jedenfalls sehr erschüttert, traurig und enttäuscht über Michael Lee Bush bezüglich dieser Auktion und hat dazu gestern folgendes getwittet:
(von unten nach oben zu lesen)

Karen Faye (@wingheart)

This is what hurts...I always supported his art, his integrity, and
defended him over the years, when MJ had his doubts about him. He
severed his friendship with me, for this. RT @neverletyoupart:
@wingheart okay, just ONE thing. I'm not
gonna get into everything but when someone stands by you through the
excruciating experience of laying both your friends to rest, stands next
to you as you speak the truth for years....then suddenly partners up
with a certain group of people who run an estate and SUDDENLY is giving
interviews saying the opposite and cuts off ties with you who he's been
friends with for 25 years.... IS THAT A COINCIDENCE? And then the
auction and the autographs and the...I can't. It's no wonder you get
upset. Timing people....really. Timing. Think. (from http://tl.gd/kaudoj)

Karen Faye @ wingheart

You have more than me ❤ RT @MJJen2000: @wingheart I have 12 autographs
and I couldn't imagine selling any of them!! I don't care how much money
they are worth.

Karen Faye @wingheart
I could no longer hold the pain in my heart silent. I am crying as I tweet these words.

Karen Faye (@wingheart)

I can count the autographs I have on one hand, and they are precious to
me. I could NEVER part with them. It takes forethought of selling them,
to have so many. RT @JennaM0715: @wingheart This is devastating on so
many different levels. I can't imagine how you feel.

Karen Faye (@wingheart)

He knows how I feel, and he knows what I know. I suppose he can't look
into my eyes any longer. RT @TaylaStJames: @wingheart Clearly it's
because had you known he was planning this you would have put your foot
down a while ago. This is SO sad/disgusting.

Karen Faye @wingheart
All I know, it is heartbreaking for me. RT @JennaM0715: @wingheart Isn't this illegal?!

Karen Faye (@wingheart)

Because he has become someone I no longer recognize since he
collaborated with the estate. He broke ties with me, and I am beginning
to see Why. RT @TaylaStJames: @wingheart WOAHHH you gotta be kidding
me!! But why?!

Karen Faye @wingheart
I am shocked and devastatingly sad to see this. Could this be?
pic.https://twitter.com/wingheart/…78905528493699075/photo/1

No. I felt it was inappropriate. RT @kopforever7: @wingheart did
Michael love his employees to ask for his autograph like fans? Did you
get hundreds of his autographs like Bush?
https://twitter.com/wingheart?protected_redirect=true

Karen Faye (wingheart) on Twitter
twitter.com

MJJC plant für Januar 2013 eine Frage und Antwort Sesson mit Michael Lee Bush !
Fragenvorschläge dürfen gemacht werden !

Qbee ‏@Qbees
MJJC Exclusive Q&A with Michael Bush - Submit your questions http://www.mjjcommunity.com/fo…ush-Submit-your-questions …
7:14 PM - 4 Dez 12

@MJJStreet just to clear confusion, the MJ being drugged story is Bush covering up the fake autographs & has been proved false by fans who were in LA.

Also jetzt mal ohne Witz: es gibt in USA keine Rente usw.

Warum sollte MLB nicht an seine Altersvorsorge gedacht haben und sich dafür so einige Autogramme besorgt haben ???

Ich hab da kein Problem mit, man sollte das Ganze nicht so aufbauschen und auch nicht so pathetisch sehen, etwas Humor hilft immer,das sollten wir uns auch vom Meister abgucken

IEdit: Ich habauch kein Problem damit, wenn die Gaga jetzt in Michaels Klamotten rumrennt, sie ist ne geniale Musikerin, auch wenn ihre Musik mir auch nicht so extrem gut gefällt.

Hier hat jemand während der Buchpromotion in San Franzisco mit M.L.Bush über die Kontroverse gesprochen:

I talked to Michael Bush a little yesterday at San Francisco book signing. I posted what he told me in full here:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/th...=1#post3749568

The part about the controversy:

I asked about the auction - when he donated the
costumes to the estate and Why he sold some of the iconic pieces.
He confirmed that he donated clothes to the estate before the Juliens
catalog was put together. He basically gave the estate the first choice
to pick whatever they wanted, and they did. Why they didn't take Bad
tour clothes or HIStory teaser costume - he doesn't know. He said
that they may have copies of some things as stage clothes was
manufactured in 2-3 copies, but he doesn't know for sure. He gave them
what they asked for. (It seems like he donated Smooth Criminal lean
shoes to the estate, because when I asked about them, he said the
estate has them.)
When I asked who made selection - the executors, the kids or Katherine -
he said he didn't know. He assumed it was a collective choice.
Overall it seemed to me, that he is not in close contact with the estate.
Somefans depict Bush as Branca's friend, ally, co-conspirator and whatnot -
he isn't. From his answers is seemed that he communicated with the
estate about the book and the auction through some formal
representative, and he doesn't have much information about what they
have in possession.

I asked about the autograph controversy. Bush declined to comment and
said that he was only there to sign the book and didn't want to touch
that. I said, "Fair enough," but I also told him that I though it was
in his best interest to clear this out, because some fans are
boycotting and harming the book due to the controversy, and the book is
very important for Michael's legacy. He said he understood, and that
the situation would be cleared through proper and official sources.
(I won't hold my breath though. But we'll see). Overall he seemed just a simple and nice guy to me.)

I also asked some of my questions from the Q&A thread:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/th...uestions/page5

I asked if it's true that museums have rejected Michael's clothes (as
was stated in ICONIC magazine). Bush said yes, due to different
reasons, including legal issues and the fact that the clothes should be
preserved under very strict temperature/light conditions which not all
museums are ready to provide. So it seemed more like technical issues
than disdain for MJ (which I feared it might have been).

I asked what happened to the trial suits and if there's any chance that
they'll be featured in a book or exposition in future. Bush said they
are not in his possession. He said Katherine asked for 4 of the suits -
for her to keep. A few of the suits Michael kept, so they are probably
in the estate's possession now. He also said that when he
communicated with the estate about the book, they requested/advised not
to include the trial suits in the book. He plans to release a 2nd
edition/part 2 of the book though, and maybe he'll include them there.
(I won't hold my breath for part 2 either, but who knows... He seemed to be pretty serious about it.)

I asked about the fencing suits and if Versace
had anything to do with them. Bush said that Versace had absolutely
nothing to do with them and was nowhere near. The idea of the fencing
suit was theirs and Michael's, and it was developed by Bush and
Tompkins. He says that maybe the rumor about Versace started because
there is a photo of Michael and Versace together during the Dangerous
tour.

I asked about the runes and funny letters in the HIStory teaser. Bush
said they where Michael's idea and they didn't mean anything - he wanted
something that doesn't belong to any particular language, so that no
country could claim it and it would be equal for every fan in the world.

I asked if MJ's clothes ever didn't work as supposed to on stage, and if
Michael got mad about it. Bush said that no, MJ always laughed it off,
he was very nice and polite to the staff and didn't get anxious about
things like this. He remembered an occasion when a button came off on
MJ's gold HIStory suit, and Michael freaked out because it meant a flap
right on his chest. But Bush quickly fixed it with some stapler.

I asked if Dennis was on tours with Michael - Bush said no, he didn't
like to travel much, he stayed home and worked on new clothes while Bush
helped MJ on the road. That way they made sure all fronts were
covered.

Funny bit: He says when they went somewhere in the car with Michael, MJ
always tried to make him sing karaoke. He used to say, "Come on, Bush,
everybody sings in the shower!" Bush used to reply, "I don't. Don't
make me sing, Michael."

He remembered that Michael used to buy books in different countries of
the world. Because he couldn't do proper sightseeing, he flipped through
books and looked at famous places there.

He said that his relationship with MJ was always more employer/employee
than friends - for example, he usually didn't stay for dinners when he
visited Michael in Neverland, etc. He did see a lot of Michael's life
though, and he says that it was a hard life...

Eine Übersetzung kann ich leider nicht beisteuern

...neuester Stand von heute vor 16 Stunden:

Courtesy of Ron Sweet.

Hello Everyone!

Darren Julien has agreed to conduct an EXCLUSIVE interview with MJJCollectors.com. As you all know, the recent Tompkins & Bush memorabilia auction held by Julien’s Auctions caused quite a bit of controversy among some members of the MJ fan community. Julien wants to state his position and respond to this criticism, and has chosen our site as a forum to do so.

This is YOUR opportunity to ask Darren Julien anything and everything you would like (including, but not limited to, the recent Tompkins & Bush auction). We only have one criteria for this: BE RESPECTFUL. This is NOT an opportunity for anyone to besmirch or attack Julien and/or Michael Bush (you have other platforms for that), and accusatory or disrespectful questions will be deleted from this thread.

If you don’t want your questions to be posted here, you can email them to us privately at admin@mjjcollectors.com. Feel free to ask as many questions as you would like, and we will select the best ones to ask him. Please post here or email your questions on or before Tuesday, December 18th. Okay, then, let’s get started!

Ron